Concerning Ecumenism? The people speak!

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Concerning Ecumenism? The people speak!

Ecumenism is not a side issue. It is a matter of utmost importance that we resist the tide. Below are some of the people who have signed the petition to call Lausanne Consultation for Jewish Evangelism to renounce their ecumenism and to guarantee their abstinence from any ecumenical partnerships. They are all from different churches and ministries but that are all united in this belief that Ecumenism is a danger to the body of Christ.

Some of the Signatories of the Petition:

Ruth Nessim – CJF missionary inIsrael. http://www.cjfm.org

3/9/2013 Name removed as person sees this petition as inconsistent.

James Jacob Prasch – Director of Moriel Ministries international.

Keith Parker – Prayer for Israel

Geoffrey Toole – Moriel Missions Japan.

Alan Mackenzie – Road to Recovery Christian Fellowship.

Mark Van Niekerk – Hazorim. http://www.hazorim.org

Roger Winter-Smith – Stroud Green Christian Assembly

Chris De Wet – Moriel Ministries Bloemfontein

Jackie Alnor – Rapture Ready Radio presenter of Apostasy Alert programme.

Pastor Marco Quintana –Community Church of Devore

Scott Brisk– Moriel Be Alert

Cecil Andrews – Take Heed Ministries

Felipe Diez – Reforma Ministries

Pastor David Royle – Moriel Missions Southern Africa

Martin Emerson – Light in the Darkness

Dion Gary Knoesen – OfDiscipleship Ministries South Africa

John E Young – Pastor of Sulam Ya’aqov Messianic Fellowship

Geoffrey Farnell – Pastor of Ainsdale Evangelical Church

HERE ARE WHAT THE SIGNATORIES HAVE TO SAY:

Keith Parker

The danger of ecumenical involvement has been apparent to me for many years. I sincerely hope that LCJE and all other evangelical Christian ornanizations will be careful not to be involved with the Church of Rome…

I find it truly astonishing that Bible-Christians can accept Roman Catholicism as a legitimate expression of real Christianity. They seem to ignore the fact that the RC organization itself regards Protestants as outside the true church. They want us to accord to them what they will not accord to us.

Ruth Nessim

Comments: Do not leave the Reformers to have died in vain.Rome does not change its spots!

Kevin McKenna

Comments: I was saved by the Grace of God out of deathly clutch of Roman Catholicism. I join all those that stand against her false doctrine.

3/9/2013 Name removed as above person sees this petition as inconsistent.

Geoffrey Toole

Comments: Ecumenism is a subtle deception. If we do not take a strong stand against it, we will end up promoting it.

3/9/2013 Name removed as person sees this petition as inconsistent.

Lina Diquattro

Comments: “And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in real knowledge and all discernment…” – Phillipians 1:9

Tony Beasley

Comments: Open message to accompany my petition signature I support the principle and therefore sign this petition, because I oppose New Evangelicalism’s un-Biblical compromises. The Lausanne Consultation on Jewish Evangelism (LCJE) is an integral part of the Lausanne Movement along with the sister group LCWE. These are very problematic for the Evangelical cause. WhereRome and Theological Liberalism could not gain acceptance by the direct approach upon Evangelicals, a counterfeit movement sprung up which called itself the New Evangelicals. They were so theologically broad and inclusive that they became an adversary to historic Evangelicals, whilst finding much common ground with the classic Ecumenical apostates. Eventually the prefix, ‘New’ was dropped and they went back to calling themselves Evangelical which although being a gross misnomer, allowed them to absorb themselves into the real thing, all the while carrying with them the corrosive perversions of Modernism that wrecked so many denominations in the late 19th century. There are many groups in this Liberal Evangelical Movement and the entire Lausanne Organisation typifies this ‘evangelical Trojan horse’. In a short time since 1980 LCJE has gained itself an ignominious résumé; not a surprise for a Liberal Evangelical organisation. (Work that one out if you can). However can a New Evangelical organisation vote against its own Neo-Evangelical principals and yet not have to disband? It seems very unlikely. It must be recognised that the LCJE is not an Evangelical organisation (in the correct meaning of this word). Therefore we may be asking the impossible of them. Would we say the same toRome , keep your structure and just reform your doctrines? “Semper Eadem” Comes the reply …… How so LCJE? The urgent alarm call to LCJE members and friends is: “Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues” Rev 18:4 The future of the Messianic movement hangs in the balance – PRAY!

Tony Piche

Comments: Ecumanism is a doctrine of man NOT God’s. Their is 1 God above all other God’s and That is the God of Israel. I petition LCJE to obey the Word of God rather than man, and disown the belief that there are many pathways to God. He declared their is only 1 (One).

Jeannot Floor

Comments: When Christ spoke of the Jews, He did not mean the Pharisees – please be not one of them and therefore seek the Lord your Yahweh with all your heart and with all your mind and with all your soul first. “Warn a divisive person once, and then warn them a second time. After that, have nothing to do with them.” (Titus 3:10) – you have obviously been warned many times, therefore for the last time: repent and be warned, for the Lord will turn His back on you also!

Leslie Crickmay

Comments: Jesus says that he who believes upon Him HAS eternal life. (John 3:36; 5:24; 6:47). The Popes disagree. The Roman church has a different gospel which teaches the exact opposite of what Jesus promised. Who will you believe?

David Horsfall

Comments: 2 Cor 6 (i) Light can not have fellowship with darkness”, (ii) Can not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers e.g. ecumenicals, liberals or catholics in the LCJE; (iii) For what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness = e.g. those that have compromised themselves; (iv) What communion hath light with darkness = Those who have compromised the gospel message; those in LCJE that are not even saved; those in LCJE that are from the catholic religion; those in LCJE that are liberals, have created an apostate mixture: a church (movement) that is not chaste (v) What concord hath Christ with Belial = the emerging church and the apostate whore of the Roman Catholic Church. If God is the same and never changes, then the same standard of purity, holiness is still required of Born believers today. No fellowship with whoredoms has Hosea points out. Is not LCJE has become a mixture of harlotry, as it was in days of old, polluting God’s congregation, Yeshua’s body with ‘leaven’. Yeshua warned His disciples to beware of leaven of the Pharisees, beware of deceivers coming in among, perverting the gospel, perverting true fellowship of the Saints. The God of Israel who gave Torah, also said in 2 Cor 6:17 COME OUT from them and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you. God says the same thing in Deutromony 23:14.So, if you profess to love God, love Yeshua love Torah, Love The Word of God, then you will realise just how much the LCJE grieves his Rauch HaKodesh, by remaining in this ungodly mixture. For the LORD thy God walketh in the midst of thy camp, to deliver thee, and to give up thine enemies before thee; therefore shall thy camp be holy: that he see no unclean thing in thee, and turn away from thee. He is the same God who requires chastity. COME OUT of this unchaste movement David Horsfall

Chris De Wet

Comments: Ecumenism is for the undiscerning and unlearned or disobedient.

Linda De Wet

Comments: The Bible very clearly does not support eccuminism. One reference is Psalm 2.

Johan Du Toit

Comments: Matt 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Louis Ferreira

Comments: May Yashua open your hart David

Jackie Alnor

Comments: Bulletin #95 – 95? Where did I see that before – Luther comes to mind. The official position of the Roman Catholic Church is that they are the one and only true church. If you don’t agree with that, please don’t cozy up to her – she is not for you.

Sam Yassine

Comments: The Lord Jesus never ‘sat on the fence’.. and neither should His Disciples concern The Gospel

Mr Leslie Wood

Comments: Touch not the unclean Thing

Scott Brisk

Comments: Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? – 2 Corinthians 6:14

Cecil Andrews (‘Take Heed’ Ministries)

Comments: Details of 3 public debates in Ireland on ‘The Eucharist’ in which I shall be participating in May 2012 (DV) can be found on this link http://www.takeheed.net/Take_Heed_2011/Ministry_Updates/Review_Letter_December_2011.htm

Stacey Dames

Comments: It is on behalf of the true saints in the Lord Jesus Christ I speak, and also for His Word which endureth forever. Every true and faithful servant of the Lord Jesus Christ is to adhere to His truth and not man made doctrines.Rome preaches and teaches a false gospel with a false christ along with heavily encouraged works salvation. We as brothers and sisters in the Lord cannot and should not tolerate any media; whether it be television, books, movies, etc., that is contradictory to the Word or worse yet, promotes pagan rituals and traditions and attributes such blasphemy to the Lord. The Lord will not be mocked and all those engaging in the smallest amount of poison and mixing with truth are continuingBabylon andConstantine’s hybrid mixture of Christian paganism. Only a small amount of anthrax is needed to kill the body. How much more the soul? Even less. Eternity of hell awaits those who believe these wicked doctrines and yet many go to death’s door believing they have heard and know the truth. Hence the difference between having a relationship with Father God and mother church.Motherchurch is sending millions to hell and it is our duty as Bible believing and practicing Christians to take a stand against the ever pervasive, subtle new age universalism hiddenly disguised in ecumenicalism. If the truth can be mixed with lies and called truth and then defended by apostates as truth, then we enter a whole other realm called relativism. Another introduction by satan into this new age ecumenicalism. Christians are to stand for the truth of the Gospel always and forever, never compromising, never bending or twisting the truth, never adding to or taking away to make it politically correct and never ever are we to sit at the table of Baal and call it God. Ever. Stand for truth or fall for lies!

Felipe Diez

Comments: I, Felipe Diez, of Reforma Ministries, sign this petition against any ecumenical or interfaith relations with the Roman church

Pamela Manard

Comments: We are told in Scripture to mark and avoid those who teach unsound doctrines – NOT to embrace them!!! Let us Hold fast and contend for THE Faith once and for all delivered to us by the Lord Jesus Christ and His apostles as we are instucted to do (i.e. Jude 3; Gal.1:8,9; 1Tim. 6:3-5;21; Rom.16:17)

Catherine Mitchell

Comments: “For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.” – 1 Thessalonians 5:3 — The cry is “unity” for peace….but there can be no unity with error for that compromise God will not bless. By this I do not condemn individuals in error, I speak against the error itself.

PS David Royle

Comments: You canot stand with a different gospel, a gospel that is no gospel at all

Reginald Uka

Comments: In Amos 3:3; it states can two walk together except they be agreed? And in 1cor.6:14-18 and in Rev.18:4; all warned Christians not to fellowship with false Christianity, that worships the creatures rather than the creator who is blessed who is blessed for ever, amen, Roman 1:25; it also warned believers in Yeshua of a false Christianity not engaging with a religious system that forbade marriage to their ministers, the practice of celibacy is of the devil, no wonder that this religious prostitute has scandals of scandals,as their priest, have been found to abuse wives,daughters of their parishioners. Engaging in paedophilicity,and priests involved in homosexual activities with minors,and alter boys, 1 Timothy 4:1-3. Christians are forbidden by Christ the Lord,not to call anyone father,because you have one father in heaven, and not to call anyone master or Rabbi because you have one master and a Rabbi, Christ the Lord, but this false religious system calls their priest fathers, and the top guy the Holy father. In the High priestly prayer of Christ to His father before He was crucified, Christ called the father in heaven, Holy Father in John 17:1-26. But this false religious system usurped this protected title of our Father in heaven to a mortal man that has breath in his nostril and also claimed to be infallible. This religious system also violates God’s command not to worship idols,graven images,and icons of dead saints, as against the bible in exodus 20: 3-5. This religious institution also claimed that their top bishop is the vicar of Christ the Lord. This is far from truth, the Holy Spirit is Christ vicar on earth as in John 16:7-8; 9-11. It is the blessed Holy Spirit that Christ sent on the feast of shavua or Pentecost is Christ’s vicar and representative not this man that protects child monsters,paedophil and sexual perverts mascurading as godly men. In retrospect, the above are sufficient ground to avoid fellowship with a system that violates the holy bible, and our blessed redeemer words. There are other reasons, but time and space made this difficult. I want to thank the Lord Jesus Christ who rescued me from this false, pseudo Christianity, hence, I am sounding out alarm to avoid her if you do not want to end up in flames in hellfire. Sincerely, Reginald Uka.

Chris Saunders

Comments: They will know we are Christians by our love for each other, we do not need to be herded together, we are free. If the Son makes you free , you are free indeed.

Dusty Gallagher

Comments: Ten periods in history witnessed the brutal persecutin of born again beleivers at the hands of the popes. Ratsinger has recently reaffirmed the RCC’s right / obligation to Kill heretics. That would be myself and thousands of Bible beleiving Christians who defy the popes’ claim to ” ruler of all things spiritual and temporal.” For a historically accurate and doctinally correct view of the same, please read Foxe’s Book of Martyrs. Jesus is Lord come in the flesh…and his name is NOT ratsinger.

Dion Gary Knoesen Of Discipleship Ministries South Africa

Comments: I sign my name in complete surrender and obedience to God!

These people were willing to make a stand. Will you? We are hoping to have this petition printed out over the next few months and given to David Sedaca and to the leaders of the Lausanne Consultation for Jewish Evangelism. If you would like to make your voice heard please sign the Petition at the following link:

www.ipetitions.com/petition/lcje

May the Lord richly bless you,

Shalom in the name of Yeshua,

SalvadorUng Hayworth

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Where is the Lausanne Consultation for Jewish Evangelism heading?

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In 1989 the second Lausanne congress took place in Manila. Out of the congress came the document termed, the Manila Manifesto. Although there is much to be commended in the document yet it does raise questions also.

On page 14 we read, “Our reference to “the whole church” is not a presumptuous claim that the universal church and the evangelical community are synonymous. For we recognize that there are many churches which are not part of the evangelical movement. Evangelical attitudes to the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches differ widely. Some evangelicals are praying, talking, studying Scripture and working with these churches. Others are strongly opposed to any form of dialogue or cooperation with them. All are aware that serious theological differences between us remain. Where appropriate, and so long as biblical truth is not compromised, cooperation may be possible in such areas as Bible translation, the study of contemporary theological and ethical issues, social work and political action. We wish to make it clear, however, that common evangelism demands a common commitment to the biblical gospel. Some of us are members of churches which belong to the World Council of Churches and believe that a positive but critical participation in its work is our Christian duty. Others among us have no link with the World Council. All of us urge the World Council of Churches to adopt a consistent biblical understanding of evangelism.”

What is apparent is that in 1989 the Lausanne movement was divided over the issue of ecumenism. Some wanted to stay well clear of it and others believed it was a Christian’s duty to be involved in order to maintain the unity within the “whole body of Christ”. What is clear is that at this stage the Lausanne Movement regarded the Roman Catholic and Orthodox Churches as part of the body of Christ, albeit recognising that theological differences with evangelicalism would prohibit in participation with those churches in any official evangelism. However when one accepts Roman Catholism or the Orthodox churches as legitimate expressions of Christianity it will just be a matter of time till ecumenical compromise sets in.

Though Lausanne Consultation for Jewish Evangelism may repudiate any allegation that they are in partnership with the Vatican, as we saw with the open letter to David Sedaca, the idea of ecumenical unity has been praised and promoted. David Sedaca literally stated that an ecumenical meeting between evangelicals and Catholics demonstrates the unity that only Christ can bring! This is highly dangerous for it only serves to encourage ecumenism while most of orthodox evangelicalism sits by quietly without calling him to account. In the petition I have drawn up I have gratefully received 82 signatures but 82 people is a very small number. In the Lausanne Bulletin 103, February 2011, the same David Sedaca that spoke of ecumenism with Roman Catholics and evangelicals demonstrating Christ’s unity, stated the following, “We may receive opposition from the church. Some churches may have a distorted view of what we are doing, but let’s build bridges, not walls. We are all part of the Body of Messiah. We are all part of the church. Our role is not isolation, but integration that respects our uniqueness and calling. There may be problems within Jewish evangelism…. Today we are confronted by strange theologies (Ephraimites, Talmudists, strong charismatics, personality cults), so we must take a stand for what we believe- otherwise we have believed in vain.”

When Mr Sedaca was challenged to make a stand against the Roman Catholic Church and put right his recommendation of the ecumenical meeting he promoted with praiseworthy language he refused to make a stand against the false gospel of Rome. Brethren, does this not concern you or shake your confidence in this man and the organisation he is representing? As Mr Sedaca wrote this report after his recommendation of ecumenism one can only assume that when he states that we are all part of the Body of Messiah he is including Roman Catholic Churches also. So do we need to build bridges?

Since the second Lausanne Congress in Manila 1989 the third Lausanne Congress took place in Cape Town in 2010. The document that came out of this was called the Cape Town Commitment. On page 3 of the Cape Town commitment it states, “While we speak and write from the evangelical tradition in The Lausanne Movement, we affirm the oneness of the Body of Christ, and gladly recognize that there are many followers of the Lord Jesus Christ within other traditions. We welcomed several senior representatives from several historic churches of other traditions as observers in Cape Town, and we trust The Cape Town Commitment may be helpful to churches of all traditions.”

It seems the gap is lessening. Where as the Manila Manifesto claimed that cooperation in evangelism would not be possible with non evangelical forms of Christianity though Lausanne assert that the Body of Christ is wider than the evangelical tradition and clearly intimated that it accepted that the wider body of Christ included the Roman Catholic and Orthodox traditions. But in The Cape Town Commitment we read on page 19, “We urgently seek a new global partnership within the body of Christ across all continents, rooted in profound mutual love, mutual submission, and dramatic economic sharing without paternalism or unhealthy dependency.”

On page 44, though there is a repudiation of the prosperity gospel as unbiblical, nothing is stated about the false gospel of Rome which is extremely dangerous when one looks at what they say under the section entitled, “IIF – Partnering in the Body of Christ for unity in mission.”

“1. Unity in the Church.

A divided Church has no message for a divided world. Our failure to live in reconciled unity is a major obstacle to authenticity and effectiveness in mission.

a) We lament the dividedness and divisiveness of our churches and organizations. We deeply and urgently long for Christians to cultivate a spirit of grace and to be obedient to Paul’s command to ‘make every effort to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.’

b) While we recognize that our deepest unity is spiritual, we long for greater recognition of the missional power of visible, practical, earthly unity. So we urge Christian brothers and sisters worldwide, for the sake of our common witness and mission, to resist the temptation to split the body of Christ, and to seek the paths of reconciliation and restored unity wherever possible.

….We stand together as church and mission leaders in all parts of the world, called to recognize and accept one another, with equality of opportunities to contribute together to world mission. Let us, in submission to Christ, lay aside suspicion, competition and pride, and be willing to learn from those whom God is using, even when they are not from our continent, nor of our particular theology, nor of our organization, nor of our circle of friends.”

It should be clear that Lausanne is wanting to network outside of the evangelical tradition of Christianity, albeit with possible caution. They are confessedly open to ecumenism. It is no surprise that David Sedaca sat on the fence when asked concerning his praise of ecumenism saying that he neither condones it or condemns it. This is not to say that all members of Lausanne feel this way but the movement itself definitely does. Read this following excerpt from a Roman Catholic forum concerning a letter written to them from a representative from LCJE member “Jews for Jesus”.

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=17676

“The documentary Survivor Stories features a concentration camp survivor who converted to Christianity. On further inquiry, I learned why the conversions have not been to Catholicism. Read on and weep with me for our ‘politically correct’ Church, more interested in the Jewish mainstream than in befriending Christ.

– Shalom Mr. xxxxxx,

The first thing I want to say is that we praise God for putting you in a church where you find the finest and fullest proclamation of His truth. No one in Jews for Jesus will ever criticize you for being a devoted Catholic. We are pleased to work jointly with many Catholics, as we do with any who love the Lord Jesus and have put their trust in Him for their salvation. We have been to numerous fellowships, community groups and home Bible studies comprised of Catholics who have a personal relationship with Jesus. —————->We often present “Christ in the Passover,” a sermonic demonstration that illustrates how the Jewish feast foreshadows the coming of Christ and fits beautifully with the Eucharist.<———-

We have not found, however, the same spirit of acceptance within the Roman Catholic Church proper. Part of the problem has to do with the doctrines of the Catholic Church, and part of it has to do with Jews for Jesus. While Jews for Jesus stresses unity always above differences within the Body of Christ, we generally do not feel welcome in the regular Mass of the Catholic Church.”

What will Jews for Jesus publically state concerning such claims. Will they let this be publicized by Roman Catholics? Are they really in agreement with such a statement? Silence will only condemn someone as an accomplice.

In the Jews for Jesus magazine “Issues. Volume 17:4” Several Jews who converted to Roman Catholicism are lauded. The main article concerns Cardinal Jean-Marie Lustiger who maintained his Jewish identity while a Roman Catholic. On page 5 the author of the article, Josh Turnil, sadly equates Lustiger’s conversion to Catholicism as conversion to Christianity. No qualification is made to say that it was an unbiblical form of “Christianity”. How can sound evangelical Christians make such a blunder so as to equate the Roman Catholic Church as a legitimate expression of Christianity. Rome holds to a different gospel! Ecumenism is even more serious an error than replacement theology and just as important an issue as accepting the need of Jews to hear the gospel. To glory in causing an organization to recognize the need for Jewish missions while promoting unity with non evangelical forms of “Christianity” is a major defeat! Not a victory! Replacement theologians will automatically agree with such a position believing that Jews are no different to any other people as they do not retain a special place in God’s eyes.

Is it any wonder that Lausanne are taking this path when their founder was ecumenist Billy Graham and the honorary chairman of the Lausanne movement used to be the late John Stott?

The question that each of us must ask ourselves concerning this issue is what our reaction should be. We must seek the Lord for His direction concerning how we are to stand against this tide of ecumenism that is rising rapidly in the conservative evangelical camp. To shut our eyes and hope it to go away is naive. It must be spoken against and refuted in the strongest possible terms as Paul strongly and aggressively contested the false gospel of the Galatians Judaisers. Though I believe that we should be patient and soft with those doubting, there can be little soft patience with the people promoting this deception. We must call them to account and to reject both ecumenism and the promotion of ecumenism. If you would like to add your name to the petition calling David Sedaca and LCJE to renounce ecumenism please visit the following link http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/lcje . Our hope is in the next few months to get this petition printed out and as the Lord allows to have it put in the hands of David Sedaca and Kai Kjaer-Hanson.

Some of our signatories to date are,

Ruth Nessim – CJF missionary in Israel. http://www.cjfm.org

3/9/2013 Name removed as person sees this petition as inconsistent.

James Jacob Prasch – Director of Moriel Ministries international.

Keith Parker – Prayer for Israel

Geoffrey Toole – Moriel Missions Japan.

Alan Mackenzie – Road to Recovery Christian Fellowship.

Mark Van Niekerk – Hazorim. http://www.hazorim.org

Roger Winter-Smith – Stroud Green Christian Assembly

Chris De Wet – Moriel Ministries Bloemfontein

Jackie Alnor – Rapture Ready Radio presenter of Apostasy Alert programme.

Pastor Marco Quintana – Community Church of Devore

Scott Brisk – Moriel Be Alert

Cecil Andrews – Take Heed Ministries

Felipe Diez – Reforma Ministries

Pastor David Royle – Moriel Missions Southern Africa

Martin Emerson – Light in the Darkness